Bob Duff: Blashill: Time for Wings to man up Detroit has lost four in a row, six of seven at JLA and are 2-8-1 overall in the last 11.

Time for the Red Wings to be blown up. Starting with Blashill who is the worst head coach in the NHL.

You can't expect much with that blue line.
Mantha finally looks like he's turned the corner.

I refuse to blame Blashill.

The reality is he has a rag-tag of softies on his back-end. The only one that is doing what he should is Green, and Kronwall wants too but the body wont let him -- all of the others are just slow footed, poor hockey IQ dmen.. fringe NHLers.

It is time for a shake-up trade or to just mail it in and get a high pick and be done with it.

This to me, is less about coaching and WAY more about execution osn the ice. We are team with young players that were late round picks and vets that are now in journeymen status from within our system... basically, the Wings are in no man's land.

The only bright spot to me, has been Howard, Sproul, AA and Mantha.
that is not a good spot to be in.

Imo I put a lot of the blame holland. To many years of bad contracts. I agree with you about the bright spots, I have never been a big Howard fan but he is playing well this year. I still think you trade him if you can and free up cap space, esp if we aren't going to make playoffs.

It's time to get into the draft lottery.

this is frustrating. I have faith they can turn it around, though.

come on Wings.

Imo I put a lot of the blame holland. To many years of bad contracts. I agree with you about the bright spots, I have never been a big Howard fan but he is playing well this year. I still think you trade him if you can and free up cap space, esp if we aren't going to make playoffs.
- hockeyislife99

Can you explain to me exactly which contracts are hurting this team..? Because no amount of free cap space would have prevented their current failures. We signed the #1 defenseman from last year's free agency period, and the #1 center from this year's. If a current contract stifles a Larkin extension negotiation in the summer of 2018, then I'll bite, but Holland isn't the reason that this team looks pathetic right now.

Get your head out of your dumb @$$.

Trying to reason with you is like trying to reason with a baby. If you can't look at this team and see all the bad contracts than your hockey iq is very low. You should get your head out of kennys @$$, should be pretty easy since your the only one up there.

OK, you guys are both right and wrong in my opinion

neither of the opinions matter, but

Holland has signed a lot of bad contracts, Abby, Helm, Ericsson, all awful contracts

However, none of them are keeping us from winning right this minute, i assume they will eventually, but right now, had we not had Ericsson how would be better? we would have XO in the line up? thats about all, and XO is not the difference maker between us winning and losing right now

on the flip side, and this is a very hypothetical argument, IF we didnt have Helm or Ericsson contracts, or basically had open cap space, then we coooooould make a trade, like prospects and picks, for a guy with a contract we currently cant afford but in hypothetical no contract / tons of cap space land, we could? but again, 1 that isnt actually possible, and 2 even if it were, holland is notoriously the worst trader, and it wouldnt matter anyway

the thing im most bummed about is if this happens to be the year we bottom out and draft really high,

IE a draft lottery top 3 sorta thing? (i could be entirely wronf but from everything i read) this year well this year is a super weak class, and even if, and thats a heavy IF because we wont, but IF we won the top pick, nolan patrick is good, but is he austin mathews? mcdavid? eichel? laine? ect ect ect..... no not even close

It's time to get into the draft lottery.
- houseofcards74

#NolanPatrick2017

#AndreiSvechnikov2018

Trying to reason with you is like trying to reason with a baby. If you can't look at this team and see all the bad contracts than your hockey iq is very low. You should get your head out of kennys @$$, should be pretty easy since your the only one up there.
- hockeyislife99

So... Your answer is that your statement is unfounded and you cannot support it with any rationale? Got it. Thanks.

Two peice, you're as big a dumb ass as you call other fans if you don't think Holland has done terribly. He's done nothing but anchor this team with poop contracts like Ericsson and Dekeyser and Abby and Glendening.. trading datsyuk and basically Chychrun for nothing but a lower draft pick and a life time LTIR player. He's done nothing for trades but muck up this team and forced himself into a corner for future trades with terrible contracts.

What makes him terrible is that he is FINE with just getting to the playoffs. That's NOT good management. A good gm would realize that it's time to blow it up, sell off aging players sign and trade free agents, and work towards drafting high. We are the worst team in the east talent wise.. it's time to get over yourself and admit that he has failed and HE NEEDS TO GO.
- RafiDRW

Wrong on many accounts. As far as myself, there's nothing to "get over". At least your criticism bears some support, I'll give you that, but you're an extremist for sure.

There are no guarantees in "blowing it up" or rebuilds. Look at Edmonton and Toronto. Florida. Buffalo. Holland's right when he speaks to that.

#NolanPatrick2017

#AndreiSvechnikov2018
- Feds91Stammer

Yesss.

What do you expect from a Dave Lewis-ish Head Coach, doing his best to be a clone of Babcock and failing miserably, especially when the players tuned out his message.....to go with one of the most incompetent GM's in the league....you get these results...not shocking.

Same results...same excuses...same incompetence...same lack of urgency...same "ho-hum" mentality from the players and coaches. Been this way for the last 4 seasons...

OK, you guys are both right and wrong in my opinion

neither of the opinions matter, but

Holland has signed a lot of bad contracts, Abby, Helm, Ericsson, all awful contracts

However, none of them are keeping us from winning right this minute, i assume they will eventually, but right now, had we not had Ericsson how would be better? we would have XO in the line up? thats about all, and XO is not the difference maker between us winning and losing right now

on the flip side, and this is a very hypothetical argument, IF we didnt have Helm or Ericsson contracts, or basically had open cap space, then we coooooould make a trade, like prospects and picks, for a guy with a contract we currently cant afford but in hypothetical no contract / tons of cap space land, we could? but again, 1 that isnt actually possible, and 2 even if it were, holland is notoriously the worst trader, and it wouldnt matter anyway

the thing im most bummed about is if this happens to be the year we bottom out and draft really high,

IE a draft lottery top 3 sorta thing? (i could be entirely wronf but from everything i read) this year well this year is a super weak class, and even if, and thats a heavy IF because we wont, but IF we won the top pick, nolan patrick is good, but is he austin mathews? mcdavid? eichel? laine? ect ect ect..... no not even close
- digitalbath

I wouldn't say "a lot of bad contracts" but you make a lot of sense. When Abby signed his current deal it seemed good to me, but this season it really is looking bad right now. Helm's looked bad when he signed, and does ATM because he's injured, but before the slew of injuries it was looking good.

Fact is, without those contracts, no amount of young talent/prospects/picks would make a difference for trading purposes. You're not going to acquire an Anze Kopitar for Nyquist/Mantha/1st, and even if you could, you still could now. Our younger talented players are on larger-than-ELC deals, and if you trade a Larkin or Mantha your likely return is going to help less in the future than those kids. It's all nonsense and whining.

I wouldn't say "a lot of bad contracts" but you make a lot of sense. When Abby signed his current deal it seemed good to me, but this season it really is looking bad right now. Helm's looked bad when he signed, and does ATM because he's injured, but before the slew of injuries it was looking good.

Fact is, without those contracts, no amount of young talent/prospects/picks would make a difference for trading purposes. You're not going to acquire an Anze Kopitar for Nyquist/Mantha/1st, and even if you could, you still could now. Our younger talented players are on larger-than-ELC deals, and if you trade a Larkin or Mantha your likely return is going to help less in the future than those kids. It's all nonsense and whining.
- TwoPieceFeed

well im definitely bummed about the wings, but i havent spent much time on here chatting because every single comment tends to immediately turn into

"Holland sucks, the wings sucks" and absolutely nothing else, for me personally, i dont wanna sound like THAT guy, but it doesnt make me feel better to complain at least without some argument to WHY they suck, or what is going wrong, what can change, and what to look forward to. Simply saying Holland sucks, 1 isnt even entirely true, its too broad a statement

He does suck at trading, and he has had a tough time negotiating contracts with specific players, but to me, its as broad to say "holland sucks", with nothing else as it is to say "holland is a great GM" without saying, its difficult to maintain making the playoffs 25 years straight with the guys that we have, and never drafting dramatically high in the first round, the site has always been filled with argument and thats fine, but simply saying he signed bad deals, he sucks, you cant see anything otherwise, isnt fun to argue with

I dont think Holland is the best, nor do i feel he sucks nearly as bad as he gets flamed for, at one point he was #1 but now i feel hes 12th or 15th out of the 30 out there, the thing that stings the most about Holland not really evolving with the game is that his predecessors that we didnt retain, Yzerman and Nill, did evolve and are of the best GMs out there and we missed them, i dont think anyone would be nearly as hard on holland if Yzerman and Nill sucked really badly and didnt get the sense of "man we could have him for our GM but we dont" feeling

I would much rather have Yzerman that Holland, but i would much rather have Holland than brian Murray, Jay feaster or Dave Nonis, ect ect, to me, theres MUCH worse out there than Holland and people forget that very easily

"Two piece" Ive already explained this in other threads, I'd rather not type out another long post simply on your behalf. You'll figure it out one day bud, maybe when your out of middle school.

"Two piece" Ive already explained this in other threads, I'd rather not type out another long post simply on your behalf. You'll figure it out one day bud, maybe when your out of middle school.
- hockeyislife99

1. You certainly have not explained this in any other threads. Not comprehensively. You make bold blanket statements with no support. Every time.

2. I'm not your "bud". My friends have properly functioning human brains.

3. I'm not in middle school. Your attempt to insult me is ironic because your spelling and grammar is significantly worse than mine was when I was 12.

1. You certainly have not explained this in any other threads. Not comprehensively. You make bold blanket statements with no support. Every time.

2. I'm not your "bud". My friends have properly functioning human brains.

3. I'm not in middle school. Your attempt to insult me is ironic because your spelling and grammar is significantly worse than mine was when I was 12.
- TwoPieceFeed

Well okay, you've got me on grammar and spelling. But I "significantly" got you in mathematics. You and Kenny must have studied at the same middle school because neither of you can manage numbers. I have explained, and outlined the defects of kennys post cap management back in September. Even after my post(which many others agree) you can actually just look at this roster in any of the last 4 years and make a blanket statement about how bad this team has been managed. Well at least anyone who can evaluate a players skill level and do some simple math.